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I need help immediately....all I can get!
My APBT is very aggressive
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Posted: 10:40:20 AM 4/26/2005
Contact a professional trainer then, and get training beyond basic obedience training. In the mean time, keep your dog on a leash at ALL times when people come over or are around.
Posted: 11:15:19 AM 4/26/2005
Not too sure where you got this dog but folks in this case breed DOES matter!!!! It is NOT normal for an APBT to be human aggressive in fact they aren't supposed to be EVER. If you ask almost any APBT person, rescuer, breeder they would recommend you PTS the dog. I have worked with many and I hate to say that human aggression is NOT tolerated, not only are you putting the public at risk, you are putting the entire breed at risk, they don't need anymore bad publicity and it's a serious responsibility to own a human aggressive APBT. I have been bit by one and it's not a little nip, it's a serious bite at any level.

Go to www.workingpitbill.com and do some reading as well there is a good pit forum at: www.pitbullforum.com where you can talk to other pit folks.

I personally wouldn't keep a human aggressive pit ever. It's NOT what they should be and is a disaster waiting to happen, IMO.
Posted: 11:48:46 AM 4/26/2005
You need to get this problem taken care of as soon as possible. Next time she might not recognize your mom...
it would be a big mess.

Like everyone is saying get help, talk to your vet about where you could take your dog to socialize with others- most definatly get a muzzle, just as a precaution for now.
It might take several months, it could take a year, don't give up, at least give the dog a chance before putting it down.

Good Luck

~BluHusky :)
Posted: 11:54:27 AM 4/26/2005
I think everyone is basically giving the advice this person isn't looking for. I know that it's an unfathomable idea to think of when it comes to a dog that is part of your family and you love very much. But in this situation I have to agree there is really not much to be done. You can pretend that socialization under tight scrutiny will work but the fact of the matter is you will NEVER know if this dog will one day snap back to it's aggressive side. In fact I would not allow this dog unmuzzled near anyone and ESPECIALLY not small children. This dog will have a miserable time being sequestered from every individual it encounters and in my opinion isn't how a happy dog can survive. Humanely Euthanizing this dog is probably your best and only option IMHO. Again I am not a behaviourist by any means but the level of aggression seems to be beyond the fixing stage. I am sorry for your puppy and I am sorry that it's at this stage but sometimes it's better to hear the truth from people you don't know.

On a side note where did you get this dog, and do the parents exhibit the same aggressive traits? This is completely abnormal for this breed and something is not right here.
Posted: 12:16:13 PM 4/26/2005
Have to put my 2 cents in here, OMG my heart breaks for you and your pit-but most people here seem to know quite a bit and in my opinion , PTS is the most heartbreaking option-but your ONLY OPTION! You will feel overwhelming guilt, but how would you feel if the next attack KILLS A PERSON! Sounds like it will probably happen. Im sure if you do the right thing you can find another, VERY LOVING PIT companion who will love ALL PEOPLE, Like most of them do! Sounds like you got her from a Very irresponsible breeder. Also if you don't PTS your baby before anything else happens-and if something does happen and the authorities ORDER her PTS-You might not be able to be with her. Or worse what if an angry neighbor hears you have a Vicious animal and tries to poison or kill her themselves! Ive read about people doing milicious things to even nice pitbulls, that never did one thing to anybody! Find a nice rescued pit thats people friendly, and know in your heart you did all you could to help her! Its NOT your fault-its the AWFUL breeders fault, but its your responsibility to make sure nobody else gets hurt! Im sure you dont like that advise! But I will keep you in my prayers!! SO SOORRYY!
Posted: 1:17:39 PM 4/26/2005
No reply yet, for sure a serious problem... this might be a troll!
Posted: 1:22:44 PM 4/26/2005
Maybe, but if I had to face the thought of putting my dog to sleep, I probably wouldn't reply back either. That is an idea that takes some getting used to. I'd probably be in denial for awhile.
Posted: 1:59:42 PM 4/26/2005
I personally do not believe in rehabilitation when it comes to human aggressive dogs resocialization, Ob training, etc., are all good ideas but what good are they when they don't work and the dog mauls or kills a human? I just don't believe rehabilitation is possible not with APBT's anyway.
I have been dealing with this breed for to many years to know that its not in an APBT's nature to be human aggressive and one that IS has a serious problem that should not be taken lightly.
Afterall we aren't talking about a miniature poodle here we are talking about a very powerful dog that has the potential to cause serious damage if found unstable. Please take the advice given here and have your dog pts. If you find it to unbearable relinquish her to a rescue or shelter AFTER you have explained your story in detail and they will do it for you I assure you that.
**Edited
I just realized that through all this I havent once told you how sorry I am you are having to face such a difficult decision. I am very sorry and I do wish the very best for you. I have been in your shoes before so I know how you are feeling I have had to put rescues down before for the very reasons you are describing. Again Best of luck!

***Edited By: GinaH on 4/26/2005 2:11:53 PM***
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Posted: 2:41:23 PM 4/26/2005
Why is it that APBT's aren't usually human agressive? You would think they would be after all the damaging tactics used to make them mean for fighting in the past (and unfortunately still today). Is it just that the human agression has been bred out of them over time or are they just usually more submissive to humans due to the fear caused by mistreatment in generations past? I'm curious to know.
Posted: 3:09:11 PM 4/26/2005
kiyote, ive replied twice now for christs sake. Listen if you dont want to help, then dont read the thread. I almost cry every time I hear someone say I should "put her to sleep". I really cant.....Im sorry, but i see her cute little face and see how excited she gets to see me. I dont know what to do....
Posted: 3:20:11 PM 4/26/2005
a professional trainer is a good idea. and another good idea is a muzzle, the last thing is keeping trying to learn to how to rehab aggresion. the reason for the aggression must be identified. also, you must become asserive dominate calm. emotion does rub off on dogs, and excitement may only cause the dog to become more aggressive. everytime the dog becomes aggessive and gets away with it. the dog wins. this is going to require some creativity. the dog must never win and always be punished for aggeression. you are the leader and aggression is not acceptable. even if the dog bites you correction must not stop until the dog gives up. then you win. you win at all costs. the dog will aggression is fruitless and submitting gains him more. i do not believe that aggressive dogs need be put to sleep. the trainer just must become a better trainer. keep learning, and in the meantime, muzzle, muzzle, muzzle.
Posted: 3:21:12 PM 4/26/2005
when you ask for advice ,you have to be willing to take what you hear. no one is trying to be mean ,they are trying to help you to see just what a time bomb you have on your hands. any dog can bite, but not with the powerful jaw force of a pit. the results from a pit bull bite can be disastrous ! please dont take offense to peoples replies , they are only trying to save you a lot more heartache in the long run. you have all the warning signs in front of you, the next time someone might not be so lucky.
Posted: 4:12:52 PM 4/26/2005
Being socialized with people means that she was regularly, from puppy hood, exposed and trained to accept strangers as part of her training. They don't always deal with this in an obediance class.
Euthanizing is the easy way out(I'm not trying to be sarcastic) There is alot of behavioral stuff that can be tried, and a behavioralist, is the only one who will have that back ground. Find someone who has People aggression in there back ground. Some people specialize in this area. I don't want to say that for sure it could be fixed, but there may be a chance. But this would take a determined/dedicated owner.
Posted: 4:16:02 PM 4/26/2005
I do want to help, I just missed your reply.

What's the dog's name? Do you have pictures anywhere? Even better, a video of the behavior?
Posted: 5:05:04 PM 4/26/2005
I am so sorry, pitbullpride, I can't even imagine how hard it is to hear people tell you to put your dog to sleep. It's heartbreaking for me, too. I don't think I could do it if it was one of my dogs, which is why I worked very hard to make sure my pitties grew up to love all living things (well, everything but squirrels, mice, and gophers...). I socialized the heck out of them, even around handicapped people, people who were so scared of dogs they literally shivered, and little babies and elderly people. I am proud that I can trust my dogs around anybody.

I know the unanimous advice to pts your dog is probably the best, but if you love your dog (which you seem to do) I know you wont be able to just say "ok" and take your dog to the vet to be put down. There's only one option that I can see left for you, and that you must do at your own serious risk. Socialize the heck out of her, go to behaviourists, and training. Dominance can be a big issue with pits, maybe she doesn't know who's boss (which is You) and thinks that all other humans are lower on the chain of command. When she's at home, keep her secure and under supervision. You must muzzle her at all times, like everyone else has said. Hopefully you will see some improvement after a while of rehabilitation. Don't give up on her, there are pitties that have been abused, tortured, fought, bred and starved that have managed to be wonderful pets.

I really hope you have the dedication for this, if not, then pts is the only option.

Keep us posted on this situation, too. I know you might feel bad about what everyone's telling you, but this really is a great place for honest advice and support. I personally would like to know what you plan to do and how it works out.

Good Luck.



Posted: 5:19:47 PM 4/26/2005
Remember, if you do decide to put your dog down, you can always, when you feel the time is right, get another pit bull. Nothing can replace your dog, of course, but you do seem to love the breed and there are a lot of rescue pitties just waiting for a warm, caring home.
Posted: 5:29:05 PM 4/26/2005
I really believe your dog can be helped.Pipey my baby now, she's over a year became very aggressive at 4 months old .I was like omg ,I may have a biter on my hands.Out of no where's she would growl,bark,lunge,and try to bite any one. Visitors would come to my house ,she would not allow them to roam the house. I would have to crate her.If they did try walk through the house ,she would growl and follow them.Any one who walked onto my property ,she would follow them,and growl,and non stop barking.I made it my mission to help this dog,she's my baby. PTS was completely out of the question.I kept on working with her,taking her out,exposing her to all stimuli,having constant visitors come to my house,and postive reiforcement training.After maybe 6 months of constant interaction Pipey is a very happy,healthy,non aggressive girl. It was a lot of work and dedication on my part.Who knows what happened to her,but she's very social,loving , and excepting of all people.
Posted: 7:19:29 PM 4/26/2005
Rednosered there's a big difference though in a 14 month old adult dog showing human aggression and 4 month old puppy.
A 4 month old puppy is going to be much easier to train and control versus a 14th month old adult dog most likely already set in it's ways.
I wouldnt take the risk of owning a human aggressive Pit Bull regardless of how much I loved it.
I have three adult female Pit Bulls in my home right now and if any of them were to attack a human as the original poster has stated her dog has done already...As much as I love them they would be PTS ASAP. My dog Punkin is extremely dog aggressive and God forbid should that aggression ever extend to humans her only options will be to be humanely pts. I know I may sound cruel and cold hearted but I dont look at it that way I look at it as being responsible.

***Edited By: GinaH on 4/26/2005 7:20:40 PM***
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Posted: 9:02:48 PM 4/26/2005
I understand what you are saying,believe me. I know I managed to help Pipey.I think maybe Pipers problem was going through a wierd fear stage that I managed to help her work through.I feel so bad for this person.I wish I had a magical wand to help her.

I know what you are saying about extreme dog aggression,Tiggers is off the hoof,but she has never went after a person.She also has extreme prey drive and goes after anything that moves.
Posted: 2:28:01 AM 4/27/2005
Let me ask you this; do you have homeowner's insurance, and do you live in a state where you could be charged with felonious manslaughter if your dog attacks someone? This family probably will be:

http://www.thenewmexicochannel.com/news/4420076/detail.html

I'm going on record now. PUT IT DOWN. When (not if) your dog attacks someone, I don't want to hear you claiming you had no idea the dog was dangerous, how could this happen, etc. A human aggressive pit bull is a loaded gun, though I'm sure ER surgeons much prefer a clean bullet wound to a tearing pit bull attack.

Yah, I'm angry now. You basically have a landmine in your backyard and are crossing your fingers that none of the neighbor kids will step on it.
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