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tail docking
removing dew claws and tail docking
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AkCockers
Posted: 8:14:54 PM 10/1/2009
what age do you usually dock tails? We have Cocker Spaniels and I was just curious how others do this and how old the pupps are....also removing dew claws.

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oxfordbostons
Posted: 8:23:48 PM 10/1/2009
If any of my Bostons need their tails docked, it is done at 2-3 days old. All of them have their dew claws removed at this time as well. I never have it done after 3 days. Hope this helps.

Best of luck!
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illusionminis
Posted: 9:12:27 PM 10/1/2009
I have always done the tails and dewclaws on my Aussies by 3 days old. never later. I do know some vets will wait as long as 5 days, but I don't use them. I feel 3days 4 at the utmost latest.

Having said all that, if a pup doesn't look well, or is not thriving, I will not risk it's life to have a tail done.
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AkCockers
Posted: 9:18:05 PM 10/1/2009
Thank you all who replied we are new to the tail docking and removing dew claws ourselves and had one pup die just thought we did it too early but the pup was 5 days. It sounds like most do it a bit earlier though.
How do you remove the dew claws?
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 9:30:38 PM 10/1/2009
I NEVER do these things myself. All pups and mom deserve a vet check within 2-3 days of whelping. I let my vet do the tails and dew claws during that visit. There is a grave risk for infection with these procedures. It's not that expensive. He charges $31.04 for the visit and $5.00 for the first pup and $3.00 for each additional. A small price to pay vs. losing pups.

Many breeders may very well do this themselves; I'm just not one of them. Hopefully someone else will come along that can help you more. I personally would rather let the pros handle this!

Best of luck!

***Edited By: oxfordbostons on 10/3/2009 12:57:48 AM***
Reason: Because I discovered that I can't spell
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 9:32:06 PM 10/1/2009
One more tiny bit of info.

Here on the forum, you can't advertise your pups with your phone number. You may want to edit that info before the mods get to it.
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catlover
Posted: 10:33:28 PM 10/1/2009
So you breed cocker spaniels, and yet you don't even know when tails are docked?!!! Scary. Really scary.

And yes...what a slick way to get free advertising. This person sounds like a real weasel.
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 11:12:46 PM 10/1/2009
Well my whole thing here is that aren't Cockers supposed to have long tails? I understand about workers but for the most part, I don't even know of a breeder around these parts that docks their tails. Maybe I'm mistaken but just another thought...
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lpn169
Posted: 1:09:37 AM 10/2/2009
Yes, cockers are a docked breed.

Docks and dews are done at 3-5 days AFTER a vet exam is done to determine health of each pup first.

Also that fact that you did it yourself at home not knowing how to do them at all could have easily caused the death of the pup.

Never come to a forum to ask how to do a amputation, thats ludricous and dangerous. You shouldnt be trying to cost cut here, you should be more responsible for the pups well being.
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illusionminis
Posted: 7:23:00 AM 10/2/2009
I never do my own tails or due claws. They always got to a vet have an exam and then have their tails and stuff done. I personally don't condone anyone who does it themselves, but I know alot of people do. to each there own, but mine will always be done by a vet.
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joce
Posted: 12:12:27 PM 10/2/2009
Did anyone catch they killed a pup trying to dock at five days old??!!!!

"Thank you all who replied we are new to the tail docking and removing dew claws ourselves and had one pup die just thought we did it too early but the pup was 5 days. It sounds like most do it a bit earlier though.
How do you remove the dew claws?"


If anyone saved their phone number I would do a reverse look up and report them to someone. That should be animal cruelty under some law.

How can you to to do it yourself when you don't even know when its supposed to be done?! Idiots. Its done young so they won't bleed out and it doesn't affect the nervous system.


And it would have cost all of what,100$ to do it at the vet. But that would cut into profit!
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corsomom
Posted: 3:45:08 PM 10/2/2009
This is appalling. A breeder that doesnt know when docking should be done yet doing it themselves. Poor puppies. I hope you get your dogs in to see a vet and dont consider doing the dewclaws.
Posted: 3:47:48 PM 10/2/2009
I can not begin to say how upsetting this is.

Some idiot breeds and then quite possible kills a dog for a frigging tail docking?????? I sure hope someone has that phone number and reports her. Or better yet - send me the address.
mafiaprincess
Posted: 11:35:18 PM 10/2/2009
Sick. I have american cockers. I don't breed, but I do title them up the wazoo. I know when one docks, and have been there for other people's docking and dew claw removal. You have to ASK how one removes dews? If you have to ASK I hope you don't plan to do it later. That time has come and gone.

If you lack the knowledge of when and possibly killed a pup in the process hit yourself harder with the clue stick and don't do dumb things yourself.

Do you show? Health test? Breed to actually better the breed? Have a mentor? If you had a mentor you'd likely be doing the fore mentioned things and not be asking non a forum. Do the cocker world a favour and quit breeding and find a mentor.

ETA- Only non-docked cockers I see are imports from Europe.. and bybs who didn't want to pay out for docking. Good number of undocked ones show up in rescue, but even then they aren't that common. I've seen a handful of undocked english cockers. I know few people who wouldn't dock americans.
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pope1982
Posted: 11:48:07 PM 10/2/2009
I better not reply with how annoyed I am that this person can't grasp that basic vet care is something you are supposed to provide your animals or how irresponsible and lazy I personally believe them to be. I may get scolded and banned

There are certain things you just can't/don't cut corners with, breeding costs money.



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oxfordbostons
Posted: 1:03:41 AM 10/3/2009
Not to hijack a post here but I do appreciate knowing the info on tail docking for Cockers. There is a breeder not too far from me who is very reputable and has placed in several shows and I didn't think she docked hers; I was wrong but I just didn't know.

Thanks for great info
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mafiaprincess
Posted: 11:15:24 AM 10/3/2009
Oxford..

Cockers can show CanKC with full tails. Has to be an exceptional dog to win over docked dogs, but there are CanKC CHs with tails.

You will be turfed from the ring with an American cocker with a tail from the AKC ring. A few really big name handlers have tried for giggles to see what would happen.. and they got turfed like anyone else.

There is a breeder here I don't like who for laughs left her best show prospect from a litter 4-6 years ago with tail.. got it's CanKC CH.. and then wanted to duel CH it.. so she amputated it's tail as an adult. I found the decision upsetting.. She wanted to prove it was doable..

Most of the breeders I see selling tailed american cockers aren't doing it for valid reasons.. They are bybs who claim that they cockers are pets only.. they don't want them hunted ever..

There are studies saying that tails add to balance.. and are used as a rudder in things like agility.. If people wanted to not dock for those reasons I'd be curious to see how those litters develop.. Sadly it seems to be usually sheer laziness..

And since you can't show AKC with an undocked dog.. and you can't decide at 3 days what your dogs will do.. there aren't many good reasons for not docking my breed really.
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 4:04:09 PM 10/3/2009
Very good info and much appreciated.

That was so horrible what that breeder did at that age! I spoke with my breeder buddy today and she pretty much explained to me the way you did. Thanks!

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mafiaprincess
Posted: 4:21:29 PM 10/3/2009
No problem. Are bostons always docked? I don't know anyone here who has one.. never seen one in dog sports here either to pester owners with questions.
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 4:53:57 PM 10/3/2009
Well, I would say 95% of my Bostons do not get docked. They usually have the corkscrew tails or just little nubs. Occasionally, I will have 1 or 2 that need to be shortened but that's only about every 3 litters.

Thanks again for the great info.
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